English: [ Sounds of Water ]French: [ Sounds of Water ]Nepali: [ Sounds of Water ]English: Additionally, he has four related questions.French: Additionally, he has four related questions.Nepali: Additionally, he has four related questions.English: One isFrench: One isNepali: One isEnglish: "How can upstream communitiesFrench: "How can upstream communitiesNepali: "How can upstream communitiesEnglish: be held accountable,French: be held accountable,Nepali: be held accountable,English: considering that complianceFrench: considering that complianceNepali: considering that complianceEnglish: would have to be more stringentFrench: would have to be more stringentNepali: would have to be more stringentEnglish: in such regions?"French: in such regions?"Nepali: in such regions?"English: Ben Grumbles: That's difficult.French: Ben Grumbles: That's difficult.Nepali: Ben Grumbles: That's difficult.English: The U.S. Supreme Court has struggled with that,French: The U.S. Supreme Court has struggled with that,Nepali: The U.S. Supreme Court has struggled with that,English: and uh...you know, the downstream violations -French: and uh...you know, the downstream violations -Nepali: and uh...you know, the downstream violations -English: you have to have actual,French: you have to have actual,Nepali: you have to have actual,English: measurable, detectable violationsFrench: measurable, detectable violationsNepali: measurable, detectable violationsEnglish: to trace it back to the upstream discharger.French: to trace it back to the upstream discharger.Nepali: to trace it back to the upstream discharger.English: But ultimately they can be held responsibleFrench: But ultimately they can be held responsibleNepali: But ultimately they can be held responsibleEnglish: under a regulatory program.French: under a regulatory program.Nepali: under a regulatory program.English: It requires, it's a unique circumstance.French: It requires, it's a unique circumstance.Nepali: It requires, it's a unique circumstance.English: It can be difficult,French: It can be difficult,Nepali: It can be difficult,English: because there are causation and scientific questions.French: because there are causation and scientific questions.Nepali: because there are causation and scientific questions.English: But if scientists can prove that an upstream dischargerFrench: But if scientists can prove that an upstream dischargerNepali: But if scientists can prove that an upstream dischargerEnglish: has caused the problem,French: has caused the problem,Nepali: has caused the problem,English: then they can be subject to penalties,French: then they can be subject to penalties,Nepali: then they can be subject to penalties,English: or they can be required to carry outFrench: or they can be required to carry outNepali: or they can be required to carry outEnglish: some type of environmental projectFrench: some type of environmental projectNepali: some type of environmental projectEnglish: to mitigate the harm.French: to mitigate the harm.Nepali: to mitigate the harm.English: Deepika Shrestha: So what if there is a harm,French: Deepika Shrestha: So what if there is a harm,Nepali: Deepika Shrestha: So what if there is a harm,English: and what are some contingenciesFrench: and what are some contingenciesNepali: and what are some contingenciesEnglish: or emergency response systemFrench: or emergency response systemNepali: or emergency response systemEnglish: that can be used by downstream communitiesFrench: that can be used by downstream communitiesNepali: that can be used by downstream communitiesEnglish: should there be a toxic spill or worse upstream,French: should there be a toxic spill or worse upstream,Nepali: should there be a toxic spill or worse upstream,English: and considering that it is a developing countryFrench: and considering that it is a developing countryNepali: and considering that it is a developing countryEnglish: with relatively less money for resources and technology?French: with relatively less money for resources and technology?Nepali: with relatively less money for resources and technology?English: Ben Grumbles: So there areFrench: Ben Grumbles: So there areNepali: Ben Grumbles: So there areEnglish: a couple of responses or approachesFrench: a couple of responses or approachesNepali: a couple of responses or approachesEnglish: that come to mind.French: that come to mind.Nepali: that come to mind.English: One is routine, regular dischargesFrench: One is routine, regular dischargesNepali: One is routine, regular dischargesEnglish: that create, eventually create an emergency problem,French: that create, eventually create an emergency problem,Nepali: that create, eventually create an emergency problem,English: is one scenario.French: is one scenario.Nepali: is one scenario.English: The other one is spills.French: The other one is spills.Nepali: The other one is spills.English: Given that communities may be closely connectedFrench: Given that communities may be closely connectedNepali: Given that communities may be closely connectedEnglish: by a river or a water body,French: by a river or a water body,Nepali: by a river or a water body,English: it's really important to haveFrench: it's really important to haveNepali: it's really important to haveEnglish: the governing entities around that water bodyFrench: the governing entities around that water bodyNepali: the governing entities around that water bodyEnglish: come together and developFrench: come together and developNepali: come together and developEnglish: spill contingency plans and response plans,French: spill contingency plans and response plans,Nepali: spill contingency plans and response plans,English: whether it's oil or some typeFrench: whether it's oil or some typeNepali: whether it's oil or some typeEnglish: of toxic chemical or hazardous substance.French: of toxic chemical or hazardous substance.Nepali: of toxic chemical or hazardous substance.English: That's hard to do sometimes,French: That's hard to do sometimes,Nepali: That's hard to do sometimes,English: because human nature is to not...French: because human nature is to not...Nepali: because human nature is to not...English: I know I'm guilty of this, you know,French: I know I'm guilty of this, you know,Nepali: I know I'm guilty of this, you know,English: be more reactive than proactive.French: be more reactive than proactive.Nepali: be more reactive than proactive.English: But the key is to be as proactive as possibleFrench: But the key is to be as proactive as possibleNepali: But the key is to be as proactive as possibleEnglish: to develop some type of spill response planFrench: to develop some type of spill response planNepali: to develop some type of spill response planEnglish: that is meaningful, and not just a piece of fiction.French: that is meaningful, and not just a piece of fiction.Nepali: that is meaningful, and not just a piece of fiction.English: On the routine discharges or the onesFrench: On the routine discharges or the onesNepali: On the routine discharges or the onesEnglish: that are the result of continuous insult over time,French: that are the result of continuous insult over time,Nepali: that are the result of continuous insult over time,English: that's where you really need some inter-, super authorityFrench: that's where you really need some inter-, super authorityNepali: that's where you really need some inter-, super authorityEnglish: that has some jurisdiction over...French: that has some jurisdiction over...Nepali: that has some jurisdiction over...English: inter-jurisdictional bodyFrench: inter-jurisdictional bodyNepali: inter-jurisdictional bodyEnglish: to try to impose some standards that will...French: to try to impose some standards that will...Nepali: to try to impose some standards that will...English: or regulatory system that will reduceFrench: or regulatory system that will reduceNepali: or regulatory system that will reduceEnglish: the likelihood of that problem.French: the likelihood of that problem.Nepali: the likelihood of that problem.English: But over time, if there is a problem,French: But over time, if there is a problem,Nepali: But over time, if there is a problem,English: there should be compensation.French: there should be compensation.Nepali: there should be compensation.English: Natural resource damages is a very important areaFrench: Natural resource damages is a very important areaNepali: Natural resource damages is a very important areaEnglish: of U.S. water law and policy.French: of U.S. water law and policy.Nepali: of U.S. water law and policy.English: After oil spills or other types of problems,French: After oil spills or other types of problems,Nepali: After oil spills or other types of problems,English: there's a need to insure that the polluter pays,French: there's a need to insure that the polluter pays,Nepali: there's a need to insure that the polluter pays,English: not just for the clean-up,French: not just for the clean-up,Nepali: not just for the clean-up,English: but the long-term injury to natural resources.French: but the long-term injury to natural resources.Nepali: but the long-term injury to natural resources.English: And that is alwaysFrench: And that is alwaysNepali: And that is alwaysEnglish: subject to question and doubtFrench: subject to question and doubtNepali: subject to question and doubtEnglish: by some of the responsible pollutersFrench: by some of the responsible pollutersNepali: by some of the responsible pollutersEnglish: who will challenge the science causation of it,French: who will challenge the science causation of it,Nepali: who will challenge the science causation of it,English: but that's something to work on.French: but that's something to work on.Nepali: but that's something to work on.
Deepika Shrestha: Additionally, he has four related questions. One is "How can upstream communities be held accountable, considering that compliance would have to be more stringent in such regions?"
Ben Grumbles: That's difficult. The U.S. Supreme Court has struggled with that, and uh...you know, the downstream violations - you have to have actual, measurable, detectable violations to trace it back to the upstream discharger. But ultimately they can be held responsible under a regulatory program. It requires, it's a unique circumstance. It can be difficult, because there are causation and scientific questions. But if scientists can prove that an upstream discharger has caused the problem, then they can be subject to penalties, or they can be required to carry out some type of environmental project to mitigate the harm.
Deepika Shrestha: So what if there is a harm, and what are some contingencies or emergency response system that can be used by downstream communities should there be a toxic spill or worse upstream, and considering that it is a developing country with relatively less money for resources and technology?
Ben Grumbles: So there are a couple of responses or approaches that come to mind. One is routine, regular discharges that create, eventually create an emergency problem, is one scenario. The other one is spills. Given that communities may be closely connected by a river or a water body, it's really important to have the governing entities around that water body come together and develop spill contingency plans and response plans, whether it's oil or some type of toxic chemical or hazardous substance.
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That's hard to do sometimes, because human nature is to not... I know I'm guilty of this, you know, be more reactive than proactive. But the key is to be as proactive as possible to develop some type of spill response plan that is meaningful, and not just a piece of fiction.47
On the routine discharges or the ones that are the result of continuous insult over time, that's where you really need some inter-, super authority that has some jurisdiction over... inter-jurisdictional body to try to impose some standards that will... or regulatory system that will reduce the likelihood of that problem. But over time, if there is a problem, there should be compensation. Natural resource damages is a very important area of U.S. water law and policy.
After oil spills or other types of problems, there's a need to insure that the polluter pays, not just for the clean-up, but the long-term injury to natural resources. And that is always subject to question and doubt by some of the responsible polluters who will challenge the science causation of it, but that's something to work on.
Section Quiz
1. Natural resource damages is a very important area of U.S. water law and policy.